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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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podcast episode number 594 for the first

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of March 2020 this week coming to you

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live from south coast summer skeptic

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camp 8 oh you do that so well what a

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pleasure it is to come down to victoria

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i haven't been to this part of victoria

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before and it's just wonderful to take

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part in skeptic camp coming up on this

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week's show

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trish hand looks at what use our face

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masks with the current virus worries we

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have Michelle because Mar she's going to

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be talking about this week a logical

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fallacy appeal to antiquity we have

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information from the Australian skeptics

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newsletter what's coming up and also

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Maynard at skeptic on 2019 interviews

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Cara Santa Maria from the skeptics guide

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to the universe and Jennifer Bernstein

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all that coming up on this week's show

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but now it's time for me to put down

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hmm let's have some Trish and chips is

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Trish Han here in Australia as the

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temperature rises and summer gets going

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some items become incredibly popular in

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the shops fans ice cream SuperDuper

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swimwear you get the idea

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well this summer one of the most popular

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purchases across the eastern states at

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least has been the humble p2 mask a

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friend to medical professionals

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firefighters builders and graffiti

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artists everywhere this is an item most

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until recently as I'm sure most of you

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know Australia recently had the most

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extreme bush fire season ever

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and the loss of life nature and property

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has been devastating the sheer amount of

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fire front has meant that even city folk

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like me who experienced some of the

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effects of the burning four weeks of

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permanent smoky haze filled the skies

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and even indoors the smell of smoke

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penetrated everything I live nearly a

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hundred kilometers from the nearest

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large bushfire and I was finding burnt

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leaves on my balcony and a thin layer of

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it was inescapable obviously this

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hazard even for those of us with no

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medical conditions and while the advice

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month we could smell the bushfire smoke

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everywhere then the rain came and did

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the job that even a properly funded fire

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the fires were extinguished but as one

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crisis dampened another emerged and the

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outbreak of CO vid 19 with infections in

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has got people reaching for their masks

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relation to both of these threats is

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wound this has since been tested using

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out smoke and pathogens while a surgical

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time when out and about right well as

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hello contamination then the elastic

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beard that's a shame honestly they're a

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best ways to ensure a contagion is

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training them in how to use it that

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thing you're using to protect yourself

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theaters where I work reminding us not

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safety that masks were giving people the

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the smoke and only go outside when

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sky they must have assumed they were

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mask off your face it should be thrown

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Sam who has a respiratory infection but

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cutting into your nose so you pull it

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perhaps you hand your phone to Jo to

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recommend a podcast Jo touches their

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mouth later you rub your eye yup so

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ultimately what can we do to protect

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pollution download an app that shows the

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local air quality and stay indoors when

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politicians to act on climate change and

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pollutants and if it's pathogens you're

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concerned about well first off make sure

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you're fully vaccinated and get your flu

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vaccine it's available practice

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skills put some moisturizer on your

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missing stop touching your face stop

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touching your face stop touching your

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face please clean your phone

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long some pathogens can survive on

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surfaces practice excellent respiratory

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etiquette don't cough or sneeze without

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covering your mouth ideally use a tissue

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or the crook of your elbow they call

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this the vampire cough it's brilliant if

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you mask off into your hand use the back

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of your hand and immediately wash or use

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alcohol hand rub support the work of

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unions to protect paid sick leave so the

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they're unwell these are all things you

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should be doing anyway but these are

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definitely things you have perfected

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before you reach for a mask but

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sometimes a mask is a valid and necess

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accesory if you're going to be out and

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about in an area with the number of

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confirmed cases of viral respiratory

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infection for example if you've got a

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cough or a cold and you're wanting to

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limit your infectious spread ideally

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isolation would be the first line of

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defense but it's not always practical so

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what is the right way to wear a mask

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the correct size and type for you in the

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situation wash your hands I'll use

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alcohol hand rub before touching the

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mask or your face make sure the top of

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the mask fully covers your nostrils and

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the lower part is under your chin pinch

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of your nose creating a closed seal

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when it becomes contaminated or if you

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not on correctly sorry if you have a

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decorative mustache do you see how

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impractical all of this is now stop

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touching your face and go wash your

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the reason was the interview show from

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the Merseyside skeptic society where

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each month I speak to someone about

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their fringe beliefs over the earth I've

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spoken to psychics UFO believers moon

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landing and ayahs flat earthers Hollow

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Earth as an all manner of unusual

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conspiracy theorists but I've also

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talked to a denialists white

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supremacists gay conversion therapy

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form of industrial police that he and

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dangerous ones I think you become much

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more effective at countering those ideas

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if that sounds like something you be

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logical fallacies

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what are logical fallacies and why is it

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know about them a logical fallacy is an

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error we can make in reasoning but it

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might even knowingly use them to try and

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score cheap points in an argument

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due to intellectual laziness they are

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traps we can fall into but if we know

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what to look out for we can spot them

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when they occur and stop ourselves from

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using them this week we'll look at the

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appeal to antiquity also known as the

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appeal to tradition this is when you

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hundreds or thousands of years many

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things that still hold true today

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they can help make you feel better and

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so on but that doesn't mean that every

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idea or practice used for many years is

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therefore right or even real people have

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been doing it this way for generations

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if it worked for them it must be right

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maybe or maybe not for many years it was

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sick people would help cure them this

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more harmful than helpful raw milk is

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safe to drink as our ancestors did so

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fine firstly our ancestors did in fact

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reduction in nutrition it has saved

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experience that can be avoided by

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drinking pasteurized milk rather than

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raw milk just because a practice has

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doesn't make the belief in the practice

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yet millions of people rely on it and

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the scientific community that homeopathy

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does not work and cannot work the

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principles on which it is based have

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and by the way it does not matter how

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many people think something works or

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something is right that is known as the

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appeal to popularity and will be the

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subject of next week's segment knowing a

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logical fallacy when you hear one and

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even knowing its name is important when

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arguing your point of view

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however you may come across as arrogant

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and not get very far if you call it out

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by name to your opponent when you hear

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it being used if your opponent calls you

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out for using one it's time to stop and

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think about how you are making your case

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use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely and remember that even if your

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point of view is right and you know all

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the pitfalls in arguing your case it

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doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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day and a skeptics we must also remember

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that we too can be wrong at times I'm

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Michele because mark from the Vick

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dr. Harriet Hall MD no into thousands as

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the skeptic a retired family physician

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and former Air Force flight surgeon she

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complementary and alternative medicine

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Harriet now has a free course a series

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of 10 video lectures on science-based

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medicine and alternative medicine the

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videos and an accompanying course guide

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can be found by following the link at

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skeptic info or by visiting web Randi's

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html' topics covered in the series are

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science-based medicine vs.

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evidence-based medicine

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what is Kam chiropractic acupuncture

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homeopathy naturopathy and herbal

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medicine energy medicine miscellaneous

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alternatives pitfalls in research and

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science based medicine in the media and

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politics Harriette covers each topic in

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a matter-of-fact no-nonsense way that

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shorter educate and entertain skeptic

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now here's the latest update from the

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Australian skeptics the Australian

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skeptics ink or ASI newsletter number 92

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it starts off with save-the-date skeptic

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on 20/20 when the 23rd to the 25th of

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October 2020 where mantra on view 22

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view Avenue Surfers Paradise in

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Queensland skeptic on 2019 was such a

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big hit and I'm really looking forward

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to skeptic on 2020 the Australian

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skeptics National Convention the next

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item psychic day in court psychic medium

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Debby Malone believed she knew we're

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missing Sydney woman Lynette Dawson's

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body was buried after visiting her home

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on Sydney's Northern Beaches two decades

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after she vanished a full report

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including a legal opinion on the

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implications will be published in the

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March 2020 issue of the skeptic maps the

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journal from Australian skeptics next

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news item UK homeopaths accredited but

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forbidden from offering autism treatment

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while the UK Professional Standards

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Authority PSA says it will be rewriting

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its accreditation of the Society of

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homeopaths there are conditions that its

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members can no longer claim to treat

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certain conditions homeopaths have been

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warned that they have three months to

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stop advertising therapies that claim to

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treat autism while the limitations are

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good news others such as the good at

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thinking society are disappointed that

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homeopathy will be receiving

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accreditation at all

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the good thinking society has legal

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advice that the 2019 accreditation of

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homeopaths was illegal and has taken out

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a legal challenge to that decision which

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is due to be heard by the UK High Court

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on March the 8th the good thinking

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society says that quote we need to take

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some time to carefully examine this new

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accreditation decision and to discuss

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with our legal team what implications it

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may have for our case other news items

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include atmospheric co2 helps plants

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grow but no excuse to downplay climate

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change also how Peter Brock's crystal

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obsession tour the Holden dealer team

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apart while we watch Holden disappear

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over the horizon on the motorway of life

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give a little thought to Peter Brock's

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crystal polarizer

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and his parting of the ways with Holden

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33 years ago and this is to do with

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so-called worgen energy one of these

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energies unknown to science that the

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Australian skeptics have been

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investigating for many years

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New Zealand comedian on aliens also are

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ghosts real tens scientific explanations

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for paranormal activity

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lastly Mad Mike Hughes dies in rocket

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crash

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eccentric flat earther proves the world

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is flat at least from his fatal point of

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view sad outcome because we have always

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used a few characters but almost

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inevitable considering his homemade

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rocket and distrust of science the March

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2020 issue of the skeptic will be out

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soon with a feature on science

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pseudoscience and politicians not to

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mention science pseudoscience and

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business management how good our

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paranormalists practices and a good old

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fashioned UFO cult plus a lot more if

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you go to WWF XCOM au and scroll to the

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now do we plenty of them around anyway

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every couple of weeks I science the hell

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out of alternative medicines health and

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nutrition fads social media for words

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science news and lots more I wasn't

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always a skeptic and I'm definitely not

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a scientist so I use my lemonis and my

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experiences to show how I've gotten

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better at using critical thinking

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techniques to figure out the real from

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the fake and that you can - we all need

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world so join me a VG's on the rational

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553
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all of my articles podcast episodes and

554
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:32,350
lots more on www.bayridgeford.com

555
00:25:37,050 --> 00:25:36,080
see you there and until then always be

556
00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:37,060
rational

557
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:50,460
here's Maynard spooky action at a

558
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:55,770
look I'm here out in the foyer it's a

559
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,490
big thing it's been a big weekend one of

560
00:26:00,690 --> 00:25:59,200
the people is a major draw card here

561
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:00,700
I've got with me right now who we got

562
00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:04,090
here it's me it's Cara Santa Maria you a

563
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,100
part of this is to you which is a huge

564
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:08,080
draw card congratulation on selling out

565
00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:09,610
of books immediately I think I think I

566
00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:10,660
think you opened the box and they were

567
00:26:13,770 --> 00:26:12,160
gone I think that's how it worked

568
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:13,780
apparently there are a few more coming

569
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,950
in today but they'll probably be gone

570
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:16,960
pretty quickly - how do you go when

571
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:18,250
you're on the road as much as you out

572
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:19,570
because you're hardly even on the show

573
00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:21,250
sometimes because you're very busy if

574
00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:22,870
you work in a PhD you've got all sorts

575
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,100
of things going on you know people

576
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:26,320
always ask if I love traveling all over

577
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:27,790
the world and I always say I love it

578
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:30,490
until I don't anymore it's a big fan of

579
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:32,650
Africa I am I am and it's a ton of fun

580
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,150
actually I was lucky enough earlier in

581
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:37,120
the week that the Australian consulate

582
00:26:42,539 --> 00:26:39,970
to Namibia gave me a Friends of Namibia

583
00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:42,549
award oh I'm not sure what that does but

584
00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:44,500
it's pretty cool he's pretty positive

585
00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:46,900
thoughts about it when you when we do

586
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:48,580
watch the news often it's not a good

587
00:26:50,909 --> 00:26:49,809
thing they don't say all there's being

588
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:50,919
this development they or there's been

589
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:52,510
these great roads opened it's always

590
00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:55,270
people seek yeah I also think that most

591
00:26:59,970 --> 00:26:57,580
people in the West think of Africa as a

592
00:27:01,470 --> 00:26:59,980
country they don't understand quite how

593
00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:01,480
diverse it is and quite how many

594
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:03,100
different languages are spoken different

595
00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:05,470
cultural groups are there and gosh it's

596
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:07,000
there's so many beautiful countries in

597
00:27:10,049 --> 00:27:08,710
Africa I've been asking for your

598
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:10,059
questions about skepticism when I was

599
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:11,650
looking at the event spoon award that

600
00:27:15,539 --> 00:27:12,910
the skeptics give out reading press

601
00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:15,549
releases from the 70s through in the

602
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,140
early 70s in the 80s

603
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:19,120
dolphins got mentioned a lot with the

604
00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:21,400
paranormal and dolphins just stopped

605
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:22,840
being mentioned in the early eighties

606
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:24,610
why do you think dolphins were big with

607
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:26,700
the paranormal set not now

608
00:27:30,510 --> 00:27:29,290
maybe it's because they're well I don't

609
00:27:32,430 --> 00:27:30,520
know why they wouldn't be mentioned now

610
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:32,440
but I think there has always been like

611
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:34,090
an interest in dolphins because they're

612
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:36,010
really intelligent and so a lot of

613
00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:37,690
people do you remember the one that

614
00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:39,190
people are doing like dolphin therapy

615
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:40,630
and they were trying to like communicate

616
00:27:45,299 --> 00:27:43,030
with dolphins and things like that

617
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,309
that's pretty funny actually what why do

618
00:27:48,419 --> 00:27:46,720
you think that's not popular I was

619
00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:48,429
thinking we've got a dolphins of the

620
00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:50,950
gaps here because science has told

621
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:52,600
people what's going on with dolphins not

622
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:54,010
completely but it's maybe filled in

623
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:55,860
those gaps and people go okay

624
00:27:59,120 --> 00:27:57,570
yeah dolphins are going on to the

625
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:59,130
unicorn here the dolphins at the gap

626
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:01,080
unicorn of the gaps is much busy there

627
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:02,490
what is the latest thing that you've

628
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:03,929
come into with skepticism

629
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:06,330
I mean Wu goes in circles but is there a

630
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:08,160
new one that's come up and you're gone

631
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:11,910
new I mean very very new let's think

632
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:14,580
about that I think some of the medical

633
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:15,960
Wu they always get really really

634
00:28:20,539 --> 00:28:18,020
creative right so like the tumeric

635
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:20,549
infusions and some of these kind of

636
00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:22,679
woowoo medical things where they used to

637
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:24,150
just put it in your latte and now you

638
00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:25,530
want to just like inject it straight

639
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:27,030
into your veins think we're gonna be

640
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:28,950
careful about that people like Sam

641
00:28:32,419 --> 00:28:30,210
Harris that are having a spiritual

642
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,429
journey with DMT and things like that do

643
00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:34,799
you think that's an old thing returning

644
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:37,350
or something new I mean I think that I'm

645
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:38,820
of two minds about that because I do

646
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:41,010
think that people take it too far and

647
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:43,110
they get into the whoo but I also think

648
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:43,919
that there's some really interesting

649
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,400
stuff that we haven't really

650
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:48,600
psychologically speaking some of these

651
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:50,010
psychedelics actually do have

652
00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:51,870
interesting effects on individual so

653
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:54,630
things like psilocybin maybe DMT but

654
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:56,760
more psilocybin and MDMA in people who

655
00:29:01,700 --> 00:28:59,220
are approaching death they've actually

656
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:01,710
shown really positive outcomes PTSD for

657
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:03,570
example positive outcomes there so I

658
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,919
think it's one of those things like a

659
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:06,960
lot of pseudoscience where there's a

660
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:09,299
kernel of truth and so then people take

661
00:29:15,140 --> 00:29:12,809
it to be like with CBT or th see that it

662
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:15,150
just cures everything um and no it

663
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:18,210
doesn't what's your like when people got

664
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,720
gotcha MS skeptic how do you snap back

665
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:22,799
at people like that because they

666
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:24,210
normally go for a gap thing that you

667
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:24,870
can't explain

668
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:27,299
I've tried not to snap back too much and

669
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,530
I try to really take the time to

670
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:30,600
understand where those people are coming

671
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:33,090
from you know I don't experience too

672
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:35,370
much of the gotchas because I also don't

673
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:37,530
got you to other people very often so I

674
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:39,240
think for me what's important is

675
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,059
understanding why somebody is so hook

676
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,440
line and sinker especially in Los

677
00:29:48,530 --> 00:29:45,960
Angeles where I live for kind of the the

678
00:29:50,419 --> 00:29:48,540
food and the anti medical whoo this is a

679
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:50,429
new one there yeah well it's just very

680
00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:53,010
kind of new agey hippie like the green

681
00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:54,750
juices and the detoxes and the whatever

682
00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:57,030
and so it's trying to understand where

683
00:30:02,530 --> 00:29:59,750
are they coming from why are they

684
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:02,540
why are they so attached to this so that

685
00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:04,930
maybe I can meet them where they are

686
00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:06,950
almost just talking to someone earlier

687
00:30:11,290 --> 00:30:09,830
there with the the Instagram influences

688
00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:11,300
having it like they've taken over from

689
00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:12,920
women's magazines to a certain extent so

690
00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:13,940
while you're waiting in the checkout

691
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:15,680
instead of seeing the magazines you'll

692
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:16,610
be looking your phone and seeing these

693
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:18,230
fabulous people that have crystals that

694
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,790
are doing things for them and that how

695
00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:20,960
are you gonna find that that's a tough

696
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:22,520
one I know especially like what are

697
00:30:26,620 --> 00:30:24,770
their they're like the celery diet and

698
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:26,630
the celery water and everything gosh

699
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:28,250
it's tough right because you see these

700
00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:29,810
people that are really beautiful that

701
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:31,220
have a lot of followers and you just

702
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,050
really want to be like them and well

703
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:34,880
maybe if I just drink celery water I'm

704
00:30:39,010 --> 00:30:36,860
gonna be hot and and rich and famous

705
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:39,020
just like her you had their parents with

706
00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:42,560
the DNA yeah yeah it's like yeah I think

707
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:44,150
this is a function of internet culture

708
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:46,010
and a fomo kind of fear of missing out

709
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,930
culture and always wanting to be it's

710
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:49,520
just the new celebrities I don't think

711
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:50,930
it's any different than the celebrities

712
00:30:53,650 --> 00:30:52,310
on the magazine speaking of celebrities

713
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:53,660
how you get on with the rest of the

714
00:30:57,130 --> 00:30:55,400
that could be difficult I mean

715
00:30:59,980 --> 00:30:57,140
it'll go to their heads okay sleeps

716
00:31:01,450 --> 00:30:59,990
great but a troublemaker look he should

717
00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:01,460
be studying now and he's looking at some

718
00:31:04,890 --> 00:31:03,230
old Tintin coming yeah that barely fits

719
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:04,900
through the door down the met his head

720
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:07,130
look have a good time and if so is there

721
00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:09,050
one sentence that any anyone can carry

722
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:10,340
into their day to give a critical

723
00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:11,510
thinking aspect to it

724
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:12,950
whenever they're confronted by something

725
00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:14,510
I thought you might have a simple mantra

726
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:17,870
I would say be skeptical and use empathy

727
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,620
thank you thank you very much thank you

728
00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:22,880
what's been your favorite thing all

729
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:24,590
weekend here at skeptic on well I

730
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:27,170
actually went and saw the for the

731
00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:28,970
skeptics died and I got to meet them end

732
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:31,100
up buying everything fine did you get a

733
00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:33,470
book did you yeah I got a book how did

734
00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:35,060
you do that because basically as soon as

735
00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:36,800
the box was open it was empty how did

736
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:38,600
you manage to get that my boyfriend

737
00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:40,890
actually bought me one months ago

738
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,560
you did the AFL jump of everybody to get

739
00:31:47,660 --> 00:31:45,480
the book did he pretty much well it was

740
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:47,670
in April when was Beth Davis oh I got it

741
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:50,460
Mike China was a great fun to meet that

742
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:52,470
were they I have to ask this oh no it's

743
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,310
an odd question

744
00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:55,320
were they in any way different in person

745
00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:57,030
as you thought they might be because to

746
00:32:01,880 --> 00:31:58,590
one my friendship we have with people on

747
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:01,890
a podcast didn't really know what they

748
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:04,710
looked like but when I saw Evan

749
00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:06,810
Bernstein I was like oh my god it's Adam

750
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,430
Savage yes I when I first saw him when

751
00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:13,200
he arrived I just I decide not to make

752
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:14,670
that joke you could get away with it but

753
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:17,130
that yes it's the beard isn't it it is

754
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:18,780
definitely the beard and I also look

755
00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:20,970
like Daisy Ridley so I've got a photo of

756
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:23,040
him and me looking it looks like he

757
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:25,530
looks like Adam Savage I look like Daisy

758
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:28,370
Ridley so we've got like a doppelganger

759
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:32,250
and look JJ Novello is like Jay Novello

760
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,810
really isn't he like me pretty much yeah

761
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:35,880
you expect this is pretty much ya know

762
00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:37,410
they're all very lovely people well

763
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:39,720
enjoy the rest of your afternoon okay

764
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:40,500
thank you

765
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:43,350
well of course the heart and soul of any

766
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:46,110
great skeptical group selling merch is

767
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:47,880
the person the merch table who have we

768
00:32:51,380 --> 00:32:48,450
got here

769
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,390
Jennifer Bernstein Evans wife oh right

770
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:53,940
and um so does him have you do this very

771
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:55,950
often as often as possible

772
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:57,690
so what do you like as a salesperson

773
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:01,020
meeting people oh okay cool

774
00:33:04,580 --> 00:33:02,910
and what do you what do you got left

775
00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:04,590
here cuz we've all talked about the

776
00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:06,060
whole bakery as soon as you open the box

777
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,950
the books were gone really really they

778
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:10,320
sold very quickly so after their private

779
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:13,290
show we sold a ton of books and and then

780
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:14,970
we had to scramble to get the last nine

781
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:17,790
in Melbourne to arrive here this morning

782
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,150
and now they're gone some t-shirts left

783
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:23,340
yes I think yeah and what seems to be

784
00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:25,350
the thing that everyone goes for if

785
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:27,150
there's no book spins or what um

786
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:32,310
pens and what are these called coins Oh

787
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:35,070
challenge coins yes oh that go for the

788
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:38,700
coins the pins have been pens and pins

789
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:41,970
have been selling oh Ivy now I spoke to

790
00:33:45,770 --> 00:33:44,070
Jay I said Jay what can't you move and

791
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:45,780
they said look we bought far too many of

792
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,910
the Power Balance bands of our and you

793
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:49,620
buy the other they bought too many they

794
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:52,260
I was talking to a gentleman earlier he

795
00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:54,270
said that he bought one and he wears it

796
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:55,830
but he never gets to talk about it

797
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,870
because they assume that it's a power

798
00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:00,000
band it's a real one and I was like you

799
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:01,320
have to tell them that's an anti power

800
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:02,940
band yes exactly

801
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:05,280
that was procedure band I believe they

802
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:07,050
were called as we are yes okay what's

803
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:08,790
your word that get on because you got to

804
00:34:12,859 --> 00:34:10,260
put up with this at home all the time so

805
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:12,869
really you're being incredulous about

806
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:15,000
something again are you so how does it

807
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:16,500
go I mean do you ever say enough of the

808
00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:18,179
skepticism let's just gonna go with what

809
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,580
we believe for the next hour or not know

810
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,200
when Evan and I started dating here's a

811
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:27,960
little snippet for everyone he um he put

812
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:29,460
me through a little test to see if I was

813
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:30,810
a critical thinker Wow

814
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:33,090
okay well let let us maybe do this at

815
00:34:36,619 --> 00:34:35,190
home and what did he do and how did you

816
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:36,629
react to it cuz I gotta say that's a bit

817
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:38,970
of a test I mean really yeah we on our

818
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:41,970
first date we're out to dinner and um he

819
00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:44,610
asked me when my birthday was and I said

820
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:47,060
it's in November and he did this whole

821
00:34:50,330 --> 00:34:49,350
little like cold reading thing ago like

822
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:50,340
this what are you doing you trying to

823
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:54,179
test me he laughed he goes yeah and I

824
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:56,550
was like well I don't I don't know what

825
00:35:00,260 --> 00:34:57,810
I don't know what to say to that

826
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:00,270
I don't my birthday is in November 3rd

827
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:03,960
and I don't what are we doing so he knew

828
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:06,770
that we could date for a length of time

829
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:09,660
that I wasn't the other girls who have

830
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:12,210
done the you know I believe in ghosts or

831
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:14,490
I believe in mediums or right I was a

832
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:17,190
girl who was gonna write I'm just yeah

833
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:18,210
exactly

834
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:19,770
I would have thought is Connecticut more

835
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:21,540
where we are California's you would

836
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,130
capital there I mean a car would have a

837
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:25,200
trouble getting a date that is up more

838
00:35:28,099 --> 00:35:27,090
in California than you would in kinetic

839
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,109
I thought there might be a bit more

840
00:35:32,359 --> 00:35:30,720
skeptical Aegean in there you know I I'm

841
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:32,369
not really sure if there's more or less

842
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:35,150
but California certainly is whoot astok

843
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,410
absolutely lots of ghost houses up that

844
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:41,760
way don't you well in Connecticut

845
00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:44,040
because it's one of the 13 colonies from

846
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:46,830
England right it's old and so people

847
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:48,810
like you know this is haunted or that is

848
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:52,320
haunted or if you've read Evans chapter

849
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:54,180
in their book it's about at a little

850
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:58,200
activity local being sold well check out

851
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:00,060
Evans chapter in their book he talks

852
00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:01,090
about Eden

853
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:04,900
Warren who yeah yep

854
00:36:09,450 --> 00:36:06,940
and I was always big fan of the old

855
00:36:12,330 --> 00:36:09,460
radio showed Johnny dollar who was the

856
00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:12,340
insurance investigator with the amazing

857
00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:14,590
expense account it ran from the 30s

858
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:16,900
through to the 50s 70s and he was based

859
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:19,450
in Hartford Connecticut which I'm told

860
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:21,070
is insurance capital and just a little

861
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:22,630
bit dull is it full of insurance

862
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:24,570
salesman Hartford Connecticut or not

863
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:27,940
insurance salesman and lawyers oh they

864
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:30,670
go together really where one and follows

865
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,260
the other one's got to go hey there

866
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,000
might be some claims here I can chase

867
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:40,230
okay so you're thinking on the map of

868
00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:42,610
America one of the exciting places might

869
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,860
not be Hartford might not be on that map

870
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:46,480
it wouldn't be on that map I wouldn't

871
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:48,850
say it's a Hartford if something Las

872
00:36:59,550 --> 00:36:57,780
well I'd sense a sense oh look I look to

873
00:37:01,050 --> 00:36:59,560
me New York is that I love it so much

874
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:01,060
fun Los Angeles because everything in

875
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:02,530
the Western world is there the good the

876
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:04,330
bad the I believe everything and you can

877
00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:06,010
walk out your door in your hotel or if

878
00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:07,630
you live there and have an adventure

879
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:11,590
good or bad at any time absolutely in

880
00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:12,580
New York never sleeps

881
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,620
it really is it's true it never sleeps

882
00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:16,720
okay unlike Sydney we've had to go to

883
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:18,340
bed at 6 o'clock at night now you know

884
00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:22,180
yeah yeah Melbourne seems to I've

885
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:23,470
enjoyed watching the difference between

886
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:25,150
the workweek in the weekend the weekend

887
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:27,490
gets a little sleepy er here yeah a bit

888
00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:30,850
like downtown LA yeah yeah and um but I

889
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:34,360
can see the observe the ferris wheel do

890
00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:36,670
you know the observation wheel so I

891
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:38,590
enjoy that light show every night Wow

892
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:39,970
so you must be enjoying never seen a

893
00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:42,850
turn does the wheel turn I couldn't tell

894
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:44,860
you um it might be having a quiet

895
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:46,630
weekend or something but you must get

896
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:48,130
around the world doing this skeptical

897
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:49,570
thing is it anyway where you've gone

898
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:51,460
you're thought wow this is this is bit

899
00:37:57,090 --> 00:37:54,660
wilder than I thought Wilder done yeah

900
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:57,100
you know they get such a reaction

901
00:38:00,660 --> 00:37:58,210
wherever they go

902
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:00,670
made art it's really a joy to kind of

903
00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:03,670
watch them take off I was telling

904
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:06,820
Jessica before that I've been there

905
00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:08,110
since the beginning so I remember

906
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,540
sitting in Steve's living room when they

907
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:12,800
were the New England's captain

908
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:16,910
society and doesn't sound nerdy you

909
00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:19,370
think I tell you some things and

910
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:21,500
stapling the news letters right and

911
00:38:25,330 --> 00:38:23,630
getting them ready to be mailed so that

912
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:25,340
was you know we would sit in Steve's

913
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:27,130
living room and we would have dinner and

914
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:30,350
it's kind of how the podcast was born

915
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:32,920
sitting around Steve's dining room table

916
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,660
that is a mess and now you hear you are

917
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:37,040
sitting around someone's dining room

918
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:40,130
tile in Melbourne and selling merch

919
00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:41,930
looking forward to seeing you later and

920
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,160
good luck with the merch and see if you

921
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,960
can really move those wristbands JJ's

922
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:46,640
getting surety about them I'll work on

923
00:39:04,750 --> 00:39:02,830
Alaura ciao mi chiamo profesora de vo2

924
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:04,760
volume incendiary - teleca's sulla

925
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:08,090
shines para la moda physica de chemica

926
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:09,200
bureau gia

927
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:13,490
astronomia Mathematica atonte ultra cozy

928
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:16,310
guarda me su YouTube arrivederci

929
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:18,530
hey everyone this is Professor Dave I

930
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:20,210
want to teach you about all kinds of

931
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:21,950
things regarding science I want to tell

932
00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:23,900
you about physics I want to tell you

933
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:27,320
about chemistry biology astronomy math

934
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:30,050
and many many more things come check me

935
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:31,730
out on youtube the channel is called

936
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:38,840
[Applause]

937
00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:54,510
thank you for listening to the skeptic

938
00:39:59,240 --> 00:39:56,430
zone now we've had a wonderful day at

939
00:40:01,880 --> 00:39:59,250
skeptic camp on the Surf Coast I'm here

940
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:01,890
with some likely skeptics at beware Ally

941
00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:05,640
Michelle with Aries pub the Aries pub

942
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,470
we're just winding down did you have a

943
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,040
good sceptic am steve roberts yeah I did

944
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:13,280
which should be tested this Bazaar wine

945
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:16,710
improving card very great fun doing that

946
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:18,630
we did an a report will be coming up on

947
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:20,579
the next episode of the skeptic zone

948
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:23,940
luckily after hear this we're going back

949
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:26,700
to your place I think for some wine and

950
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:27,240
peanuts

951
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:33,089
the wine card to test the wine as well

952
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:35,250
using that we should have a peanut card

953
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:36,750
I think the peanut card was a good idea

954
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,510
yeah my microphone card anyway it's a

955
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,280
wonderful time here at this part of the

956
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,440
world tune in to the next episode of the

957
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:45,540
skeptic zone for a full report on scary

958
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,220
camp but for now this is Richard

959
00:40:56,660 --> 00:40:48,960
Saunders signing off from heir Lee's

960
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:56,670
Inlet Victoria you've been listening to

961
00:41:04,220 --> 00:40:59,460
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962
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:04,230
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963
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:07,530
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964
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,730
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965
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:13,440
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966
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:16,500
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967
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968
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:22,140
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969
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970
00:41:29,809 --> 00:41:27,869
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971
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:29,819
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972
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:32,010
expressed on the skeptic zone are not

973
00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:34,170
necessarily those of Australian skeptics

974
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:37,100
or any other skeptical organisation

975
00:41:53,609 --> 00:41:51,150
well folks I'm here at Anglesey in

976
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:53,619
Victoria oh there's another one where

977
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:57,280
the fourth or fifth one and about where

978
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:58,740
it's coming to them I'm with Steve

979
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:02,560
exciting it's gone it's gone and Steve

980
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:04,270
we're looking up the night sky here at

981
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:05,800
angles where where

982
00:42:12,359 --> 00:42:10,089
oh there it is yeah yeah it'll disappear

983
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:12,369
what are we talking about we are talking

984
00:42:17,069 --> 00:42:14,530
about satellites because the viewing the

985
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:17,079
sky here at angles seen Victoria

986
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:20,050
it's gone no it's there look I can see

987
00:42:27,329 --> 00:42:25,359
it it's another one I have never seen so

988
00:42:29,099 --> 00:42:27,339
many satellites in my life they're all

989
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:29,109
streaming above us and they all

990
00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:35,130
disappear about about no little fade on

991
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:38,200
there it is gone you're hiding no it's

992
00:42:41,609 --> 00:42:40,030
gone Steve why are these satellites

993
00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:41,619
disappearing and why there's so many

994
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:43,900
well there were many satellites you see

995
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:45,640
5 volts Heather now normally but was

996
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:47,950
thinking the incredible number now but

997
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:49,390
the Earth's shadow is there the sun's

998
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:50,980
down there into the left to where we're

999
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:53,170
sitting so your shadows up there under

1000
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,730
the right when the satellites move into

1001
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,560
that they move into the Earth's shadow

1002
00:42:59,849 --> 00:42:58,240
from the Sun and there's no light

1003
00:43:01,470 --> 00:42:59,859
shining on them so you can't see them

1004
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:01,480
but we've just seen a parade of what

1005
00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:03,910
seven in a row in a row yeah well

1006
00:43:09,059 --> 00:43:05,980
there's there's like 70,000 up there or

1007
00:43:12,089 --> 00:43:09,069
something some vast number and some of

1008
00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:12,099
summer bright some uh some are not so

1009
00:43:16,410 --> 00:43:13,960
much you have a sort of flat metal panel

1010
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,420
on them's and the term so as the metal

1011
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:18,160
panel tones you get this flash of

1012
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:22,089
intense sunlight you think that well all

1013
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:24,700
those satellites were disappearing is a

1014
00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:28,480
in Ed's a in the vicinity of Orion right

1015
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,869
so we are guessing or it's a good

1016
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:32,800
educated guess to say that's where the

1017
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,980
shadow of the of the earth is right

1018
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:37,839
there thumbs down there to lift of ions

1019
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:40,660
up there to the right you stop the skies

1020
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:41,890
dark so you can't see where the earth

1021
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:44,230
shadow is the earth casts a shadow into

1022
00:43:48,859 --> 00:43:46,750
space but we saw a parade of seven or

1023
00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:48,869
eight and now nothing where are they

1024
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:51,160
we're looking around the sky we can't

1025
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:52,810
see them you had several light I mean

1026
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:53,640
don't ask for

1027
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,380
normally we see one or two per seven or

1028
00:44:01,830 --> 00:43:58,960
eight and we are looking at all the

1029
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:01,840
stars we can see tonight that a Ryan is

1030
00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:03,490
beautiful with Betelgeuse doing its

1031
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:06,040
weird stuff at the moment across to the

1032
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:07,570
other side we can see the Southern Cross

1033
00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:09,880
the Magellanic Clouds are up at the

1034
00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:11,620
moment so it's beautiful viewing here

1035
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:13,780
the movie is a very very small moon and

1036
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:16,450
just setting so the sky is quite dark if

1037
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,560
it was a full moon you wouldn't see

1038
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:18,880
anything yeah yeah no we're very lucky

1039
00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:20,680
and there's no clouds it's a completely

1040
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:25,420
clear night yeah yeah you go to the belt

1041
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:27,340
of Orion and drive it down and to the

1042
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:29,830
right to the left and you see the Hyades

1043
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:31,690
are held about on the v-shape do you see

1044
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:34,090
the ploidies just below that only for a

1045
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:36,040
couple of months a year but and and that

1046
00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:38,650
the Orion and the Pleiades have visible

1047
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:40,360
the Northern Hemisphere but the Southern

1048
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:42,580
Cross as we look towards the other side

1049
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:45,520
we can see now that's not visible in the

1050
00:44:49,350 --> 00:44:47,050
northern hemisphere but we can't see

1051
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:49,360
Polaris RZR oh we can't we can't see the

1052
00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:51,010
plow or Polaris but you have the saw the

1053
00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:52,750
Big Dipper the big difference is called

1054
00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:55,000
yeah same thing we have the Southern

1055
00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:56,470
Cross and other stars which actually the

1056
00:45:03,780 --> 00:44:58,420
Sun of the skies more wonderful than

1057
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:03,790
than all the sky and of course better

1058
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:05,530
objects are more stuff to look at him

1059
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:08,260
yeah well that's great I mean we've come

1060
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,640
down here for skeptic camp which is

1061
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:11,440
happening tomorrow but this is an extra

1062
00:45:17,970 --> 00:45:16,180
special Oh was that I thought I saw

1063
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:17,980
something weird up in the sky awesome

1064
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:18,910
awesome

1065
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:21,550
a possum possum in a tree I thought it

1066
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,410
was UF / it's probably just a possum in

1067
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:24,640
a tree well you would say that your

1068
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,210
typical Sagittarius I am active is a

1069
00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:29,440
showman Scorpio I don't know discovered

1070
00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:30,670
how about that are you gonna sing you

1071
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:31,960
the tale oh I do I do

1072
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:34,570
Oh Jimmy D I got two puzzles you know

1073
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:39,130
here we go so this is just the icing on

1074
00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:41,260
the cake I think the beautiful starry

1075
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:42,670
night it'll be a good conference